[Discussie] Bestaat er buitenaards leven?

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  1. *NERAZZURRI*

    *NERAZZURRI* Active Member

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    Zeg Dulle, had jij niet een lijstje met (ex-)astronauten die beweren UFO's gezien te hebben (volgens mij zelfs met quotes)? Heb ik effe nodig :+
     
  2. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Ik weet niet of dit de volledige lijst is, maar dit is die wat ik een tijd terug heb gepost:

    Major Gordon Cooper


    One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963, he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar.

    Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

    Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes.

    Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations:
    "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs."

    "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."

    And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said:

    "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.

    Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."

    "I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentations left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed...I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."

    Ed White & James McDivitt


    In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space), and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.

    James Lovell and Frank Borman


    In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.

    During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:

    Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

    Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.
    Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

    Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?
    Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.

    Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?

    Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...

    Neil Armstrong & Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin

    According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon.

    According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

    According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:

    NASA: Whats there?
    Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

    Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

    A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

    Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

    Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

    Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

    Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

    Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

    Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

    According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:

    "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public -- because NASA censored it."

    According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.

    Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the
    cover-up.

    Donald Slayton


    Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951:

    "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high."

    As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk.

    About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

    Major Robert White


    On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported:

    "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thrity to forty feet away."

    Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio:

    "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

    NASA Pilot Joseph A. Walker


    On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said:

    "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker

    To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.

    Commander Eugene Cernan


    Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs:

    "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

    NASA's Maurice Chatelain


    In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system -- specifically Titan.

    "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."

    "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

    "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."

    The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?

    NASA's Scott Carpenter


    "At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."


    Astronaut Edgar Mitchell


    Last night was another ground breaking testimony from Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell on Kerrang Radio. During the interview Dr. Mitchell further elaborated on previous statements about extraterrestrial life in the universe and possible full disclosure in the near future.

    Note From The Interview : By "UFO REALITY" from ATS

    Edgar Mitchell says there IS life in the Universe.

    He says we have been visited, and that UFOs have been covered up by the government for a long time.

    The host almost has a stroke during the interview he's so shocked.

    Edgar says it is a real phenomena.

    He says he's been inside military circles and they know we've been visited and talk about it behind closed doors.

    He says he's been involved in certain research committees and knows people who know the real story.

    There is quite a bit of contact going on.

    The Roswell crash was real.

    Doesn't know if Disclosure will be this year or not...

    Public acceptance is increasing.

    Not all UFOs are of ET origin. Some are home-grown. But some are ET crafts.

    He's not concerned about his safety talking about it openly anymore.

    Alien intent is not hostile.

    Some others involved in the Moon landing also know the truth.

    The host made the point that this is the first time Edgar has stated so clearly that ET life exists and UFOs are real. He's hinted at it, but this is the first time ever...

    Well to add fuel to the conspiracies what you would think would be ground breaking news world wide has resulted in links via google with error codes "funny that"... but I do believe that Kerrang are going to replay the interview this week at: http://www.whatson.com/kerrang/

    For more information here are some previous Interviews with Edgar Mitchell

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUe8f9L0_o

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1fTLzrIU_BU&feature=related

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_8jiSFNmTms&feature=related

    source & references:

    http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207:et-&catid=1:latest
     
  3. Jeffer

    Jeffer Pearl Jam

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    Armstrong zag die aliens zeker op z'n maandecor :+
     
  4. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Jij denk dat de landing fake was? ;)
     
  5. Jeffer

    Jeffer Pearl Jam

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    Ach, bepaalde dingen vind ik gewoon verdacht.. ze deden er toendertijd alles aan om als eerste op de maan te zijn. Ze liepen ook nog zwaar achter op de russen op technologisch gebied dus ik geloof wel dat het een 'hollywoodproductie' is.
     
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  6. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Andere theorie is dat ze wel echt zijn gegaan, maar de beelden nep waren, of ze er iig op voorbereid waren om nepbeelden uit te zenden.
    De druk was zo hoog om een resultaat neer te zetten icm. goede beelden vanaf de maan dat ze dus nep dingen hadden opgenomen 'voor het geval dat'.
    Dus: wel geweest, maar beelden nep.

    I dunno... Ik denk dat ze wel zijn geweest.

    Ben benieuwd of we hier nog meer van gaan horen (of dat het gedebunked wordt of nog liever: dat het bevestigd wordt.)
    In ieder geval niet verhaal 1000 wat op niks uitloopt.

    edit: Wordt dus gespeculeerd dat het om opzet van de leraren ging. Een soort 'les' voor de kinderen.
    Hmm..niet de verklaring waar ik op hoopte. :+

    edit2: 'shortly before midnight'. Hm, dan is er natuurlijk nog geen school... Ok, het kan dus nog.
     
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  7. Mirik

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    Wat een interessante discussie is in verband met al deze reportage, is hoe wij de realiteit zien.

    Ik snap dat het leuk is om een bericht te lezen met een spannend verhaal. Het probleem is echter, dat bericht is alleen een bericht. Die school, misschien bestaat die niet, misschien is het gewoon een en al een verzonnen verhaaltje.

    Een echte UFO onderzoeken zou het ook aan zichzelf verplicht zijn om die school te onderzoeken, etc. Hij zou het niet laten bij een suf verhaaltje dat iedereen kan schrijven!

    Dat is wel een goede reflectie op ons beeld van nieuws en realiteit. Nemen wij verhalen, die op geen mogelijke manier voor ons te checken zijn, klakkeloos voor informatie aan die we moeten gebruiken om andere informatie mee te wegen? Terwijl een 'verhaal', iets wat kenbaar verzonnen is, nooit meeweegt in onze beslissingen.

    Is erg interessante discussie over de psychologie van verhalen en onze innerlijke fantasie en wensen.
     
  8. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Tsja, die school ligt wat uit de buurt voor mij. ;)
    Artikel komt uit een krant uit Engeland. Is iig al beter dan een of andere obscure website in een duister hoekje van internet.

    School bestaat denk ik wel hoor, maar klopt het verhaal ook? Geen idee. Dat is gewoon giswerk. En hopen. :+
    Ik neem het zeker niet klakkeloos aan!
     
  9. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    [​IMG]
    Ik zie sowieso al 2 dingen die hier niet thuis *lijken* te horen. :p
    Wie weet waar ik op doel?

    Of het echt daar is is, en of het echt is waar het op lijkt weet niemand, maar dat maakt nu even niks uit. Wie ziet het? :cool:
     
  10. tricker

    tricker Semper Fi

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    ik zie er wel meer dan 2, denk niet precies wat jij bedoelt maar sommige stenen kloppen gewoon niet kwa vorm
     
  11. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Ik zie er opzich ook meer dan 2, maar 2 bepaalde dingen vond ik het meest duidelijk/opvallend. Kun je er met paint misschien een cirkeltje omheen zetten? :)
    Eens kijken of je dezelfde als mij hebt gespot.
     
  12. Gerjan

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    Ik zie alleen maar eeuwenoude stenen die afgesleten zijn door corrosie of iets dergelijks..

    Geen botten iig :+

    Behalve natuurlijk de hamerhaai neus.
     
  13. tricker

    tricker Semper Fi

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    joh ik zie gewoon een skelet hoofd
     
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  14. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Waar dan?

    Ik kon het plaatje niet direct opslaan. PS had er geen zin meer an. :'-(

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    Die met het vinkje vond ik het meest duidelijk.
    Een aal, en iets weet ik veel. Maar geen steen. Zo lijkt het iig.

    Er waren ok nog een hoop andere kleine verdachte steentjes, maar zo kan je bezig blijven.

    Volgens mij was dit een oceaan. :+

    @Gerjan. Waar dan? :p
     
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  15. tricker

    tricker Semper Fi

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    Draai die met de vinken en dan die rechte eens een kwart slag. Ik zie toch echt de oogkassen en misschien een neus? Zitten wel meer rare stenen tussen maar heb geen photoshop hier sorry
     
  16. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Deze lijkt pas echt op een schedel. :9
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    Vorige plaatje is meer rotzooi + beesten, maar deze lijkt echt op een menselijke schedel. Het is mss een rots, maar het lijkt er wel op.
     
  17. Gerjan

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    Tja zo kan je in alles wel wat zien.. ;) Buiten dat weet je de schaal ook niet, misschien is het wel gigantisch groot.

    Maar nogmaals, wind kan rare dingen doen, vooral op dat soort vlakten.
     
  18. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Het kán. Maar dat doe ik niet. :p

    Die dingen kan je zien zonder je moeite ervoor te doen. Zodra je een half uur naar ene plaatje moet staren om te zien wat het misschien zou kunnen zijn weet je eigenlijk al 99% zeker dat het niks is.
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    Die schedel, die aal en dat ander ding vond ik vrij duidelijk en opvallend vreemd.
    Nu is het natuurlijk niet gezegd dat het ook echt wat vreemds ís, maar..it could be...

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    *mogelijke* fossielen?

    http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4820/enigmasonmarsmo02aliencng4.jpg / http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Other_02.html

    edit:
    Maar niet alleen mars heeft interessante dingetjes...
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  19. Mr. Dekkers

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    Beetje vergezocht allemaal. :+
     
  20. DulleNL

    DulleNL I'm a little teapot Magic Member

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    Waarom is het vergezocht dat er ooit leven is geweest op een andere paneet buiten Aarde?
     
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